Originally posted Sunday, September 24, 2006 at the old TMQ1 site.
Remember reading about those flight schools that were training terrorists in preparation for the series of buildings they flew into on 9/11? Sure you do. And remember reading about the FBI memos documenting that the FBI was watching these terrorists at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, also known as ERAU?
The Muslim Question interviewed employees of ERAU and spoke with involved FBI agents and found evidence that the FBI and ERAU knew much more about the terrorists before 9/11 than they have ever let on.
We previously published about some of the individuals involved, one of whom is currently being held at GITMO.
See: I Drank Beer With An Al Qaeda Terrorist.
Embry-Riddle Aronautical University – Prescott, Arizona Campus
F.B.I. Told of Worry Over Flight Lessons Before Sept. 11
“The agent noticed that several of those individuals were attending Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Prescott, Ariz., a highly regarded college specializing in flight training and other aviation-related studies. The agent thought he might have stumbled onto a larger pattern of Arabs coming to the United States to get aviation training for use in future terrorist activities.”
“In July, he sent a memo to counterterrorism officials at FBI headquarters recommending a study of the issue. He also recommended that the FBI ask the State Department to provide visa data on flight school students from Middle Eastern nations so that the bureau could track them more easily.”
“‘Phoenix believes that the FBI should accumulate a listing of civil aviation universities/colleges around the country,” the memo stated. “FBI field offices with these types of schools in their area should establish appropriate liaison. FBIHQ should discuss this matter with other elements of the U.S. intelligence community and ask the community for any information that supports Phoenix’s suspicions. FBIHQ should consider seeking the necessary authority to obtain visa information from the USDOS (Department of State) on individuals obtaining visas to attend these types of schools and notify the appropriate FBI field office when these individuals are scheduled to arrive in their area of responsibility.’”
Embry-Riddle Aronautical University – Daytona Beach, Florida Campus
In addition, the White House acknowledged it was aware of these activities well before 9/11.
In its effort to divert attention away from the role ERAU played in training and watching the terroristist leading up to 9/11, in the wake of 9/11, ERAU diverted attention from its real role in 9/11, and it did its best to keep the press from gaining access to public meetings concerning what had happened on campus. However, we are the first national medium to document how ERAU played a role in publically blaming the Jews for 9/11, and to date, it still has yet to investigate its role in allowing 9/11 to occur in the first place.
ERAU trains pilots while taking great pride in its “GLOBAL SECURITY AND INTELLIGENCE STUDIES” (GSIS) program, and every chance it gets, it calls itself the Harvard of the Sky (more of its pie-in-the-sky approach to America’s security issues).
Although ERAU employs many “retired” intelligence officers (like Dr. Richard Bloom) and retired military (like Col. Fred Cone), and although ERAU was involved in recruiting terrorists to attend its programs, after 9/11, ERAU stated in its newspaper:
America is “controlled by the Jews… the American Jew now owns, controls or intensely influences 100 percent of our TV Networks, 100 percent of our motion picture industry, virtually 100 percent of our news and media and international news agencies, and overwhelming majority of publishing facilities, and a similar majority of our radio stations…Can anyone say this is not control?…
Their absolute control of all American channels of philosophical expression permitted them to foment the extreme radical turmoil of the 1960s.
This produced their keystone Jewish legislation, laughingly called ‘civil rights,’ but which has warped civilization’s traditional, time-tested standards of intelligent recognition, analysis and choice, into a Jewish version which demands unrelenting minority worship and their twin techniques of damning the white creators of America as the evil perpetrators of all minority failings.
This is a critical Jewish survival tactic.
Their absolute control of information and opinion has enabled them, through their dupes in Congress, to [produce] their special Jewish invention of a multi-cultural America, another survival strategy, at the same time providing a ready staging area for the perpetrators of Sept. 11 and its anthrax equal.
How can Jews achieve their biblical prophecy of inheriting the earth unless they destroy the genetic heritage of the Americans who created such a superior civilization?
Their dominant (sic) control of all American thought has produced a systematic devastation of all our traditional moral and social standards with every form of degradation, perversion, rebellion, crime and absurdity endlessly sought out, detailed, promoted and glorified on their Jew tube, movie screens and elsewhere, always as the public right to know or modern enlightenment…our TV/media will divert sophisticated Americans from the reality of the Jewish connection to the Sept. 11 tragedies.”
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University actually published the above article in its newspaper. Hard to believe, but it’s true.
If you are interested in more reporting on the role ERAU played in events related to 9/11, we have much more to provide our readers.
It’s important to note that the newspaper article you cited (ERAU News) is a student publication, and is no reflection of the beliefs of ERAU.
155.31.167.159
OrgName: Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Address: 600 S. CLYDE MORRIS BLVD.
City: DAYTONA BEACH
StateProv: FL
PostalCode: 32114
Country: US
Mike,
I know all about it. I’m a Riddle graduate. Read: I Drank Beer With An Al Qaeda Terrorist.
A faculty adviser must always approve stories for the student news releases. In this case, this anti-Semitic piece was allowed to be printed. ERAU has always been careful about screening what gets printed, so this piece didn’t just slip by. ERAU approved and therefore sanctioned this piece of bigotry. This makes it in every way a reflection of the beliefs of ERAU.
No matter how you slice it, ERAU allowed blatant anti-Semitic remarks to be printed (and published on the internet) many years ago, and it’s still on their site.
I find it interesting, given that you’re affiliated with ERAU, that you defend their publication of anti-Semitic remarks (bigoted, hate speech), yet you do not attempt to dispute the main point of the article, that ERAU trained al Qaeda terrorists.
Uh huh.
The proof is in the pudding, son.
God I wish I was Jewish…guess there’s still time to be a half-assed Jew. Considering the facts: 10 years US Army service, 50% VA disability…fuck, might as well convert and ignore the no pork bit…
Ha! That’d lead to my new half-assed thing… the IDF Reserves.
Fucking ERAU…just like the musli-shams
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I can’t believe this many years later lying anti-American Riddlets still insist that the newspaper article published by Embry Riddle in an Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University newspaper “is no reflection of the beliefs of ERAU.” The article came out immediately on the heels of 9/11 blaming Jews for such American woes as the freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Emancipation Proclamation, to name a few. Riddle joined the Muslim bandwagon by blaming 9/11 on the Jews, conveniently hiding behind that old sorry excuse that the paper is a student newspaper. I can guarantee that that student newspaper is carefully controlled by the administration and there is no way any article ever gets in there that says or implies anything that rubs the upper echelons the wrong way. Interestingly, the past Chancellor of Embry-Riddle blamed the downing of that jet that flew out of JFK and blew up because of faulty wiring, on U.S. Military exercizes. Chancellor Parlier wrote a whole book on the subject, and for doing so was given the highest job at the Arizona campus. Top university administrators and faculty continually lied to the EPA about the toxic chemicals the school knowingly taught all its students to dump at all airports around the world. The school knew it was training terrorists and tried its best to recruit as many more as possible. Embry-Riddle fired its line-up of top Jews at the school to please its anti-American anti-Semites.
Embry-Riddle claims to have trained many of the pilots who flew in WWII. Nobody ever asked them which side the pilots were on. They probably trained the NAZI pilots.
Embry-Riddle is a corrupt, evil organization with some of the worst ex-military scumbags now in their employ. All those losers who couldn’t make it in the service are top brass at ERAU, the rest are liberal anti-American traitors and a smattering of social zeroes.
I may end up wiping my ass with their worthless degree and mailing it back to them. Problem is, they change top brass too often to make the point count. They’ve had about 5 new presidents in the last 10 years.
A REAL university I also hold a degree from had a guy who served from 1938-1962 as President, then from 1963-2004 as Chancellor. He’d still be serving but he died while on the job.
Embry-Riddle has not one person of this caliber in their entire system.
This piece really holds up. And I’m always enthralled when I reread that article Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University printed in their newspaper right after 9/11 which squarely placed the blame for 9/11 in the Jews’ laps.
Embry-Riddle was training al Qaeda terrorists all kinds of nifty tricks, such as how to fly into buildings.
Embry-Riddle was also training Arabs to make the explosive devices so effectively used to kill thousands of Americans, Iraqis, Pakistanis, Israelis, and anyone else who happens to be walking or driving by them at the time. One of those ERAU students went on to be al Qaeda’s explosives mastermind (we have him and Embry-Riddle to thank for IEDs -Improvised Explosive Devices). He’s currently on trial at GITMO. Soon you may even read about him in a mainstream media outlet near you.
Oh, since that anthrax killer was recently in the news after being IDed and then offing himself, it’s timely also to reprint what Embry-Riddle said after the post 9/11 anthrax attacks. That was when Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University published in its newspaper that the:
“special Jewish invention of a multi-cultural America [was] another survival strategy [that provides] a ready staging area for the perpetrators of Sept. 11 and its anthrax equal.”
So what’s Embry-Riddle’s point? That Jews are to blame for America taking in Irish, Italians, African slaves, Puerto-Ricans, Mexicans, Chinese, Germans, Vietnamese, Thais, and Arabs? And now that we have these people, we should beat everything out of them until we become unicultural?
Huh? And Embry-Riddle calls itself the Harvard-of-the-Skies. It should change it’s name to Harvard-of-the-Lies.
[This comment Deleted by blog administrator. This bullshit comment emanating from the Daytona Beach campus of ERAU terrorist training camp is too stupid to make the TMQ2 grade. All future comments by this idiot will automatically be shit-canned.]
harnsn50@erau.edu
After blaming 9/11 on the Jews, ERAU erected two faux WTC towers (Tower One and Tower Two) in a field. Probably to inspire future terrorist would-be pilots-in-training.
I don’t know what everyone is missing, but it was proven that the terrorists in 9/11 did not come from ERAU. THe school has a student with the same name as one of the terrorists but was in no way involved, so ERAU had no part in it. If you had seen those towers at the school like I had, you would realize that it was a very good tribute to 9/11 and that you should not be berating a tribute to 9/11 unless you dont care about what happened that day.
hurry5734@erau.edu
Tom,
I was originally in Army Intelligence, then re-classified to the US Cavalry. Later, on a special government program, I was sent to and graduated from ERAU (Commercial Pilot Program).
I know exactly what went on with this situation. I just cannot write it here. Because of my experience and knowledge with this situation, I’ve been asked to be a witness for the Dept of Defense at this GTMO tribunal.
See: I Drank Beer with an Al Qaeda Terrorist at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University.
I’m now a retired, permanently and totally Disabled American Veteran (DAV), writing under a pseudonym. Been there, done that.
I know the facts. Do you? Got anymore ridiculous trash to talk from the sidelines?
When you learn about truth vs smoke and mirrors…and grow up, then you can chime in. Until such time, shut your fucking cake hole.
Tom’s a male turkey, an ERAU stooge.
Easily fooled, not very bright,
and he wears government issue shoes.
His IP traces to ERAU, Daytona Beach…go figure. And he’s a faculty/staff stooge who hasn’t had the “Riddle Run-Around” and smear-campaign exacted upon his lame ass yet. Just wait. He’ll learn.
If he learns what he’s not supposed to learn he could end up in another plane or auto crash or as a “suicide.”
Lance:
Great story.
I’m just confused as hell… The article clearly states that ERAU alerted the FBI counterterrorism officials of what was going on, and the article states that the White House had alerts of what was going on. I’m not sure why ERAU is getting a bad rap for being accountable for terrorism. It’s the government that dropped the ball, which is never new news. ERAU seems to have done their job and trained their students as well as reported their suspicions.
It’s ridiculous, yes, that they blame Jews for all this. Their facts are mildly accurate but also totally unnecessary. Obviously ERAU was backed into a corner of shit and let some idiot print a completely biased paper. I don’t know, out of all of 9-11, THIS is what people are freaking out about? A school trained them like they’re supposed to do with students, and then said stupid stuff?
I don’t know a thing about the school and have never been there, but I randomly came across this article and… I’m a little bereft of words. People are racist and dumb. That doesn’t mean it’s okay, it just means, suck it up and deal with it and live a life that is contrary to the lives of idiots that write antisemitic papers.
Well, nobody ever said Nebraskans were smart.
As for me, I graduated from ERAU. I wrote this one: I Drank Beer With An Al Qaeda Terrorist. They are as corrupt as any org I’ve ever seen. There was plenty more they could have done. I used to work in Counter-Terrorism prior to going to ERAU’s flight program. And you might notice I wrote at the bottom, “Is anybody really listening?” I was pounding ERAU and the FBI. The FBI hit my door just hours after 9/11. Why me? Because I had reported that there were terrorists training at ERAU. And I was right. By the way, the DoD finally did ask me to come to GTMO in 2007-08 to testify against Al Sharbi. It was so close to the elections, they ended up dropping the idea of bringing me down.
Barry,
I too am an ERAU graduate; in my case, I was at the Daytona Beach campus. I was a master’s student there from 1999-2001. Graduated in December 2001 after finishing my Master’s in Aeronautical Science (Operations specialty) almost literally under fire; 9/11 hit in my last semester and couldn’t have come at a worse time as I was battling it out with the profs to finish up my degree work.
I was a reservist in one of the military services; due to the nature of my current job and the fact that it would tip a LOT of people off, I won’t say which. I WILL say that NYC doesn’t look too good with lower Manhattan covered in smoke and flames though…and GTMO is actually quite nice at this time of year. The banana rats are rather friendly…almost like squirrels at the park.
(Mid-stream edit: NYC never actually looks good…but the smoke and flames make a preexisting dump only look worse.)
Okay, enough of that. On to the real meat of the subject: Your confusion.
I can understand it—but you should take a detached stance here, and view your confusion as a symptom unto itself of the situation. That should make you start asking some VERY pointed questions. I’ll give you a few to start off:
1) How is it that a small independent private university—like ERAU—can, in the midst of the worst national crisis since Pearl Harbor, magically reach out and find one guy halfway around the world in order to confirm that he’s NOT the terrorist in question?
The story that went ’round ERAU-DAB was “oh no, that’s not really one of our students…that guy’s living the good life in Morocco and he’s fine, he’s ok, he’s not a terrorist.” Bullshit. I’ve heard more strident denials from dopeheads that got rolled up by the campus PD.
Here’s the answer to question 1: They can’t. What you’ve heard in the press is arguably one of the worst denials in the history of mankind. ERAU will never be honest with itself about the scourge it let loose upon the world…and I will never forgive them for either the denial, OR the willingness to train people who would ultimately turn our good will and works back upon us.
Y’know, the place sends me a solicitation every year for money for the alumni association. Coincidentally, I get to save money on toilet paper that week…
2) But didn’t the FBI say that they cleared them?
This is something that most folks (outside of the circles that Lance and I are in) just can’t wrap their brains around. The deductive process works something like this:
—ERAU is a highly reputable and well-respected education institution, therefore they can’t be lying, and
—the FBI is a (mostly) reputable and respected law enforcement organization, so
—Therefore, if ERAU says X isn’t so, and the FBI says they cleared ERAU, then all must be well.
To which my response is…well, you would THINK, anyway.
But that’s not the case.
Okay…we’ve already established, in the answer to question one, that ERAU’s claims are patently bullshit. So let’s address the subject of the FBI for a minute. I’ve had occasion to work with a few members of the Bureau; they’ve got some pretty decent folks there. I’d be more than happy to work with any of ‘em again. But we need to be real about the Bureau’s situation at the time of 9/11: Thanks to the depredations of the Clinton regime—barely half of whom could minimally pass an FBI background investigation—the Bureau had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel, metaphorically speaking. They didn’t have enough people to get coffee and doughnuts in the morning, never mind race out to Morocco or god-knows-where else to check out ERAU’s story. So…the real deductive process actually looks something like this:
—ERAU was a highly reputable and well-respected education institution, but they got caught in their own greed and manifest short-sightedness, so they crafted a quick excuse, mustered an army of high-powered lawyers, and took their best shot at public redemption in the media, and
—The FBI, torn to shreds and beaten half to death after 8 years of the Clintons demanding that the Bureau favorably adjudicate every freak and social outcast that they (the Clintons) wanted to give a job to, finds itself now outnumbered worse than Custer at Little Big Horn in the face of a massive national crisis, and
—the outnumbered FBI and the rotten-to-the-core ERAU look at each other and—again, metaphorically speaking—quietly decide to close the book on this whole mess, and just hope that nobody ever brings it up again.
Aside from Lance and a few other folks—to include that one FBI agent that famously got herself fired in the wake of 9/11 for going to the press and telling them about the investigation she conducted that exposed the al-Qaida cell operating at ERAU’s Prescott (AZ) campus—nobody’s ever really told the truth about ERAU’s complicity with the al-Qaida training program.
Here’s the last question, and I’m going to leave it up to YOU, Barry, to figure out the correct answer:
3) Was ERAU a WILLING accomplice in all this, or were they played like the devil’s fiddle?
My personal take? I think they were just plain stupid. My mother has often told me, “Son, never ascribe to malice that which could easily explained by mere stupidity.” In this case, I think ol’ Mom’s right. ERAU is one all-time greedy organization—and desperate too. Both FLYING and AOPA PILOT magazines have dropped ERAU’s ads—to be replaced with ERAU’s chief competition, University of North Dakota (UND). ERAU’s been writing checks against its reputation for years that their collective ass can’t cash, and now…they are WAY overdrawn. I don’t see a good future for the place. Under no circumstances do I recommend going there for ANYTHING. You want an engineering degree? I don’t recommend ERAU or any of the Ivy League bullshitters for that matter. Just take a look around—you might be surprised at how many good engineering programs you could find close to home. The best profs won’t be at the big-name colleges—they’ll be at that little university just down the road. Want an aviation education? Go to UND. End of story. Better yet, trot down to the nearest dirt airstrip and look up your local flight instructor bubba—he’ll give you a far better education than some Red Bull-snorting 20-yr old on the field at Daytona.
Anyway…there’s your homework Barry. Enjoy.
One more thing to add, and I’m gonna go ice down my typing fingers; I’m not as young as I used to be and banging out these polemic missives hurts. I don’t quite agree with Shlomo’s comments above about ERAU teaching the sleeper cells about how to make explosives. That’s not to say that the cells weren’t learning during their time at ERAU; rather, I put that particular detail down to coincidence. Arizona’s a pretty desolate place, in parts, and a college education does not take every single hour of every single day. I’m sure these knotheads found some free time somewhere to go out into the desert and practice blowing things up…too bad they couldn’t blow each other up…with the explosives, that is…hah.
Whew, I’m done. See y’all another day.
Holy Sh!t bro this was some deep analysis here… But I still believe that there is nothing ERAU could have done to avoid this. Take this example. Assume you are a fighter. And somebody younger than you asks you to train him (Kind of like that Rocky movie). Then, your disciple becomes so good at fighter that he can now take you. Which he does and he kicks your ass and probably kills you using the techniques you taught him.
Now, it would be really stupid to say that your death was your fault alone. Because, since the beginning, the intentions of both of you and your disciple were to have him become really good fighter and win. But your disciple went astray and backstabbed you.
And that is something you can no longer control as a person/institution, whatever you want to call it.
Let’s not forget that the United States, in Education, is the best at everything. So it is only natural that these extremists would come to the United States to learn how to fly the best way they could. Al-Qaeda, although illegal, is one of the wealthiest “organizations” in the world. Therefore they can afford coming a school like Embry-Riddle. Now, another reason why those extremist would choose to be taught here in US, is because that way, it would hurt the most and it would divide us internally even more. Or is that not what its doing right now? We insult each side when we don’t even have all the facts and HUGE chances are we will never…
Thank you,
God bless those who reason first before speaking out.
Yeah, so God bless us.
We were there and we have reported the facts. I see you failed to absorb this.
I was asked by the Dept of Defense to testify at one of the GITMO trials since I was so familiar with one of the terrorists. One I met while at ERAU. Get it? I knew several and one in particular. Now ERAU is advertizing for Moroccans to come learn to fly there. Anything for money…
So why don’t you reason first before you spew from your sausage receptacle?
Now Lance…as I read and re-read this, I think David was actually trying to pay me a clumsy compliment. That said, he’s still off.
David, I hear what you’re saying, but the responsibility still lies on ERAU’s befuddled collective head. The FBI was already looking at the place for at least a couple of YEARS before 9/11. ERAU should have gotten a clue…to extend your metaphorical example, if you, as the teacher, think your student is going to take the gift of education/training and twist it to some sort of evil, immoral, and just plain wrong end, then you as the teacher have the moral duty (something we don’t hear much about these days, given our current presidential regime) to stop the instruction and STOP YOUR STUDENT…before he/she takes what should be a gift and turns it into something terrible. We’ve yet to learn that in this country. From Castro to the mujahadin in Afghanistan, to the Los Zetas drug cartel in Mexico, and at least a few other examples, we’ve never learned the moral responsibility involved with making the right kind of friends.
ERAU let itself see the dollar signs, and—in the worst calculated move I’ve seen yet—deliberately ignored the warnings from those who tried to help.
As for your comments on the U.S. having the best educational system in the world…I appreciate your patriotism. It does you credit. But as I have grown older, and have distanced myself by time from both of my college degrees, what I see is the painful reality that we are not the best anymore. We were once…we could be again…but it ain’t gonna happen with our current political arrangement. The line from the old childrens’ story goes that the Emperor has no clothes…and ERAU is a hollow shell of bombast totally devoid of substance.
For what it’s worth, I appreciate a reply that shows at least a minimal level of calculation…even if it is only sophomoric in nature.
During my second or third year at ERAU, they cut a deal with the Saudis to train several gaggles (a term of venery for a flock of geese that isn’t in flight) of Arabs to fly. They printed this in their school rag Horizons. So this speaks to the greed and stupidity mentioned in William’s comment.
Indeed. One of the students that was in my Corporate Aviation Operations course at DAB was Middle Eastern; his claim to fame was that he was a rated Gulfstream V pilot for the royal family in Saudi Arabia.
Never found out the real story on him…he disappeared from campus, and I was busy doing “damage control”, so to speak, after 9/11 (i.e. cleaning up ERAU’s mess–thanks so much, you putzes), but I remember always having that “itchy feeling” about him. Lance, you know the one I mean? The one that usually drives you nuts in the last few mins before a raging firefight breaks out? Things never added up with this guy. A rated Gulfstream V pilot, attending courses on corporate aviation operations here in the States, when—by his own claims—he probably had as much real field experience in the subject as the gnarly old sod teaching the course. The fact that he was living in a top-line apartment block in Daytona and driving a late-model Mercedes to class (it was hard to miss, in a parking lot full of college student beaters).
Hell, I’m getting that ol’ itch again, just thinking about it…even if he had nothing to do with the scheme, he still HAD to know something. It’s been almost 10 years now, and I’ve forgotten his name…but I still wonder.
Stories about the Middle Eastern students and their money were legendary around DAB. Over at Phoenix East Aviation it was said that these guys would walk into the office and drop $20k in cash, just to start. If it hadn’t been for the ME students, PEA probably would have gone under…I’m surprised to see the place still operating at all. The FBI missed their chance to staunch the training flow on that one…PEA should be dead and buried by now.
Amen to that!
BTW, I was working on my MAS through the PHX distant learning campus after finishing my UG degree (I already had another degree from a different university). Most of the profs drove up to teach us in Prescott. I only had a couple of classes to go and I’d have nailed it. Alas my circumstances didn’t permit me to finish. I could do it now, but I’m retired. So it wasn’t problem since my degree always preceded me. I ran an airline as the COO for a couple of years, all based on my pilot ratings, degree, military training and ERAU degree.